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Old May 10th, 2009, 04:12 AM   #26
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Check this fight out if you get bored.........

Jorge Masvidal vs Toby Imada from ESPN's Bellator 5.

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Forget all the pre video hype etc on there...The juicy part is right here.




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Old May 11th, 2009, 12:26 AM   #27
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Forget all the pre video hype etc on there...The juicy part is right here.




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That was pretty fucking awesome.
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That was pretty sick.

All that fool had to do was jump in the air and sit on that mother fucker.
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Old May 11th, 2009, 09:06 AM   #29
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That was pretty sick.

All that fool had to do was jump in the air and sit on that mother fucker.
That's what I was saying when I first saw this fight...

sucks too, i'm a big masvidal fan from his street fighting days...
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Don't think he would have been allowed to because he would have been slamming him on the point of his head which is illegal
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Don't think he would have been allowed to because he would have been slamming him on the point of his head which is illegal
Its illegal but I've never even seen someone warned for it and I've seen it happen more than a few times.
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Its illegal but I've never even seen someone warned for it and I've seen it happen more than a few times.
If he had attempted it soon enough he could have slammed him on his back while simultaneously landing on his abdomen. I am not saying it would have been easy, but it would have been possible.
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Boxing legend Roy Jones Jr. continues to strike out in a search for potential homes for a mixed martial arts debut.

After UFC President Dana White recently declined on promoting a potential bout between his middleweight champion Anderson Silva and Jones Jr., Showtime Senior Vice President Ken Hershman today called a Strikeforce bout between the boxer and Nick Diaz a "very long shot."

After his April 11 win over Frank Shamrock, Diaz had challenged Jones Jr. to a boxing-rules match. Jones Jr. has since expressed his willingness to compete under full MMA rules.

"I get a Roy Jones call once a week pitching me things," Hershman said on today's Strikeforce media call. "[A fight between Diaz and Jones Jr.] would be a very long shot of ever happening."

While Jones Jr. would certainly command a salary far greater than that of any current mixed martial artist, Hershman said the financial challenges of the arrangement aren't the biggest issue.

"It has nothing to do with money," Hershman said. "I think it's an insult to the integrity of mixed martial arts to think Roy Jones, or any professional boxer, could just come in and fight Nick Diaz in a mixed martial arts context. In a boxing context, it's completely different.

"But beyond that, it's not the strategy we're employing. We're looking to build the best mixed martial arts brand. I believe we have the best professional boxing brand on television, and I think our fights month in and month out prove that. I don't see the need to combine the two at the moment."

Coker was quoted on GracieFighter.com, a website owned by Diaz's Cesar Gracie camp, as saying he would "absolutely set this fight up." Coker denied that position on today's media call.

"I've had several calls from different people saying, 'Roy Jones vs. Nick Diaz, Roy Jones vs. Cung Le, Roy Jones vs. this guy or that guy, but it's something that we haven't really talked about," Coker said. "I really don't even know how serious it is. But the question is, 'Does he want to fight in MMA? Does he want to fight in just boxing?' These are all things that haven't been fleshed out.

"I did get a call from Nick's manager asking me if I'd be interested in looking at a fight between Roy Jones and Nick. I said, 'Are you talking about boxing? Are you talking about MMA?' He says, 'In MMA.' I said, 'Well, that's something we can definitely have a conversation about. That just happened this morning. That's the extent of it."

While Jones Jr. has been a hot topic in conversations regarding Silva for more than a year, Diaz's name has just recently entered the debate. While Jones Jr.'s camp has yet to acknowledge Diaz's challenge, Hershman's comments seem to clearly nix the idea of the bout happening anytime soon.

"I wouldn't want to go down that path right now."

You think maybe these guys are scared that Roy Jones might come in and knock the fuck outta someone and in the process make MMA look like a joke? Think about it. Anderson Silva is supposedly one of the best MMA fighters in the world. What does it say about MMA if a 40 year old, past his prime boxer with little to no MMA training knocks him out?


I'm not saying that would happen.......but it could. And it would be a disaster for the UFC. I dont blame them for having no interest in it.
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You think maybe these guys are scared that Roy Jones might come in and knock the fuck outta someone and in the process make MMA look like a joke? Think about it. Anderson Silva is supposedly one of the best MMA fighters in the world. What does it say about MMA if a 40 year old, past his prime boxer with little to no MMA training knocks him out?


I'm not saying that would happen.......but it could. And it would be a disaster for the UFC. I dont blame them for having no interest in it.
Although I couldn't see Roy beating many people at all in an MMA bout, I could definitely see him beating most MMA fighters in a boxing match... he'd more than likely beat Silva in a boxing match, but his chances of knocking out an MMA fighter in a boxing match are pretty slim, i'd think. Roy doesn't hit hard at all at this point of his career, and really has never been much of a power puncher. MMA fighters are use to being hit with smaller gloves, knees, elbows, ect... i doubt some roy jones pitty pat punches with big ass boxing gloves is gunna KO someone like Silva, nor Diaz...

but i get what you mean... if he came in an KO'd a name MMA fight in an MMA bout, it would be a catastrophe for the sport of MMA... no one is going to risk it, i don't think.
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Honestly, I don't want to hear shit about it hurting the integrity of MMA. Brock Lesnar went from "pro" wrestling to the UFC and Dana allowed it because he took a huge pay cut. If the president of Strikeforce thinks Nick Diaz would fuck Jr. up, then make the fight happen. It is about the money and anyone who thinks otherwise is smoking it. If Roy Jones Jr. signed on to fight for what Diaz makes AND gave a proper cut of the PPV to Showtime, which will never happen, this fight would happen in 6 months.

Personally, I love Jr., but Diaz AND Silva would both fuck him up in MMA and boxing rules at this point in his career. Ten years ago the fights would have been Jr., easy, and in under one round though. Like Xeo said, Jr. just doesn't have the power. Silva's stand up power is VERY underrated and Diaz has some seriously heavy hands.
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Honestly, I don't want to hear shit about it hurting the integrity of MMA. Brock Lesnar went from "pro" wrestling to the UFC and Dana allowed it because he took a huge pay cut. If the president of Strikeforce thinks Nick Diaz would fuck Jr. up, then make the fight happen. It is about the money and anyone who thinks otherwise is smoking it. If Roy Jones Jr. signed on to fight for what Diaz makes AND gave a proper cut of the PPV to Showtime, which will never happen, this fight would happen in 6 months.

Personally, I love Jr., but Diaz AND Silva would both fuck him up in MMA and boxing rules at this point in his career. Ten years ago the fights would have been Jr., easy, and in under one round though. Like Xeo said, Jr. just doesn't have the power. Silva's stand up power is VERY underrated and Diaz has some seriously heavy hands.
Diaz also can take some serious shots. In his Gomi fight I couldn't believe he didn't lose consciousness. He basically let Gomi beat his face to a pulp until Gomi tired out from punching (although he was high during the fight )
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Honestly, I don't want to hear shit about it hurting the integrity of MMA. Brock Lesnar went from "pro" wrestling to the UFC and Dana allowed it because he took a huge pay cut. If the president of Strikeforce thinks Nick Diaz would fuck Jr. up, then make the fight happen. It is about the money and anyone who thinks otherwise is smoking it. If Roy Jones Jr. signed on to fight for what Diaz makes AND gave a proper cut of the PPV to Showtime, which will never happen, this fight would happen in 6 months.

Personally, I love Jr., but Diaz AND Silva would both fuck him up in MMA and boxing rules at this point in his career. Ten years ago the fights would have been Jr., easy, and in under one round though. Like Xeo said, Jr. just doesn't have the power.

I dont know, I still think Jr would give them a run. Even at 40 years old, his boxing skills/technique are still superior to anyone in MMA, IMHO. If you could get him down, then yeah, match is over in a heartbeat probably. But in order to do that you are going to have to walk through a barrage of punches. And I dont care what anyone says, with 4 Oz MMA gloves, Roy has the power to put someone to sleep with one punch

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IIRC Diaz got his ass handed to him by KJ Noons in EliteXC. Who is a decent boxer but no where near Jr.


I'm an MMA fan, but I just cant help but think that a proffesional, elite level boxer is going to tool a MMA guy most of the time.
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I dont know, I still think Jr would give them a run. Even at 40 years old, his boxing skills/technique are still superior to anyone in MMA, IMHO. If you could get him down, then yeah, match is over in a heartbeat probably. But in order to do that you are going to have to walk through a barrage of punches. And I dont care what anyone says, with 4 Oz MMA gloves, Roy has the power to put someone to sleep with one punch



IIRC Diaz got his ass handed to him by KJ Noons in EliteXC. Who is a decent boxer but no where near Jr.


I'm an MMA fan, but I just cant help but think that a proffesional, elite level boxer is going to tool a MMA guy most of the time.
Fedor would handle him.
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Most MMA fighters with decent take downs would. If you are throwing punches to stop a take down you have already lost.
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err...

in a boxing match roy would beat any mma fighter within reasonable weight, atleast...

but in an mma bout, he's getting handled by even an average fighter... all he does his box... he can't stuff takedowns... he can't check leg kicks... he can't throw knees in the clinch... he can't wrestle... he doesn't know jui-jitsu... he can't do anything but box... most MMA most guys are going to be able to get through a couple of punches in order to clinch with him and then it's all over for roy... realistically...

of course if an MMA fighter sits there and tries to box roy in an MMA match, they're gunna' get rocked... but what MMA fighter would be stupid enough to do that, knowing who Roy is? they're gunna' shoot in early and take him to the ground... his boxing skills will be useless at that point... he'd basically need to catch a guy shooting with a clean hard shot, which isn't easy at all... and hope he stuns him and can finish him...
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exactly... spek is buggin'...
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err...

in a boxing match roy would beat any mma fighter within reasonable weight, atleast...

but in an mma bout, he's getting handled by even an average fighter... all he does his box... he can't stuff takedowns... he can't check leg kicks... he can't throw knees in the clinch... he can't wrestle... he doesn't know jui-jitsu... he can't do anything but box... most MMA most guys are going to be able to get through a couple of punches in order to clinch with him and then it's all over for roy... realistically...

of course if an MMA fighter sits there and tries to box roy in an MMA match, they're gunna' get rocked... but what MMA fighter would be stupid enough to do that, knowing who Roy is? they're gunna' shoot in early and take him to the ground... his boxing skills will be useless at that point... he'd basically need to catch a guy shooting with a clean hard shot, which isn't easy at all... and hope he stuns him and can finish him...
There are lots of guys in MMA who can really only do one thing well and are mediocre at the rest. And even more who started out just like Roy (being really good at one thing, and learning the rest). And they are succesfull (to different extents of course). I dont see how this is any different. Its not like Roy (or any other boxer) couldnt learn basic take down defence and basic kickboxing. All he has to do is learn how to force the other guy to stand with him. Then they are fucked. He would pick apart the sloppy, wild boxing that most MMA guys have.

Chuck Liddell has made a hall of fame career out of doing that. And he is nowhere near the boxer Roy is.

Brock Lesnar was a wrestler and nothing else. He is the heavyweight champ.

Couture was just a wrestler when he started. He is regarded as one of the greatest ever.

You telling me an elite level boxer couldnt be successful in MMA? Bullshit it say.
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Chuck Liddell has made a hall of fame career out of doing that. And he is nowhere near the boxer Roy is.

Brock Lesnar was a wrestler and nothing else. He is the heavyweight champ.

Couture was just a wrestler when he started. He is regarded as one of the greatest ever.

You telling me an elite level boxer couldnt be successful in MMA? Bullshit it say.
Take those three examples and they all have wrestling in common, which is utilized to prevent takedowns or to stay on top of a takedown.

Does Roy have a wrestling background? Or a good base, if anything?
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was great seeing machida fuck evans up last night

aside from that, the only other win i had on the main card was mcfedries, but seeing edgar beat sherk was enjoyable

hughes vs serra was a boring letdown, i expected more bitterness and alot more fighting


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There are lots of guys in MMA who can really only do one thing well and are mediocre at the rest. And even more who started out just like Roy (being really good at one thing, and learning the rest). And they are succesfull (to different extents of course). I dont see how this is any different. Its not like Roy (or any other boxer) couldnt learn basic take down defence and basic kickboxing. All he has to do is learn how to force the other guy to stand with him. Then they are fucked. He would pick apart the sloppy, wild boxing that most MMA guys have.

Chuck Liddell has made a hall of fame career out of doing that. And he is nowhere near the boxer Roy is.

Brock Lesnar was a wrestler and nothing else. He is the heavyweight champ.

Couture was just a wrestler when he started. He is regarded as one of the greatest ever.

You telling me an elite level boxer couldnt be successful in MMA? Bullshit it say.
Chuck Lidell is an elite wrestler...He just uses his wrestling to stay on the feet. And the reason the other guys are so succesful is because wrestling is bar none the best starting discipline for MMA and I say that hating wrestlers. But they have the ability to control you, The other stuff they can develop later. Someone who can just throw will end up like Houston Alexander usually does. Tappnig very very early.
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Chuck Lidell is an elite wrestler...He just uses his wrestling to stay on the feet. And the reason the other guys are so succesful is because wrestling is bar none the best starting discipline for MMA and I say that hating wrestlers. But they have the ability to control you, The other stuff they can develop later. Someone who can just throw will end up like Houston Alexander usually does. Tappnig very very early.
More and more I am beginning to think you actually know your shit. With regards to MMA at least. I was going to mention earlier that Chuck Lidell actually started out as a world class wrestler and that's where his roots were.

I don't agree with you that wrestling is the best starting discipline though. Laying on top of your opponent, or "controlling him" as some people call it, is becoming less and less effective as the UFC judges begin to recognize it. This is why Matt Hughes dropped off so bad. You wont get credit for just laying on top of your opponent anymore.

I think Vale Tudo is the best base for any MMA fighter. It's the only discipline that really teaches you what do do when "shit hits the fan" so to speak - When you cant control the fight and make the other fighter fight your way. I think Muay Thai is the second best base, but that's just personal preference and experience speaking. Great Muay Thai and a good sprawl are a vicious combo.
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More and more I am beginning to think you actually know your shit. With regards to MMA at least. I was going to mention earlier that Chuck Lidell actually started out as a world class wrestler and that's where his roots were.

I don't agree with you that wrestling is the best starting discipline though. Laying on top of your opponent, or "controlling him" as some people call it, is becoming less and less effective as the UFC judges begin to recognize it. This is why Matt Hughes dropped off so bad. You wont get credit for just laying on top of your opponent anymore.

I think Vale Tudo is the best base for any MMA fighter. It's the only discipline that really teaches you what do do when "shit hits the fan" so to speak - When you cant control the fight and make the other fighter fight your way. I think Muay Thai is the second best base, but that's just personal preference and experience speaking. Great Muay Thai and a good sprawl are a vicious combo.

I'm using more the old base. Yeah people are starting to figure out the wrestlers but I still think a really powerful wrestler has a great advantage. You probably are right about Tudo being the best base these days to start out with. It will all come in phases though. 15 years ago it was Gracie Jiu Jitsu, then it became wrestling now Tudo. Next we never know what could be the next great style. Sambo might come back or who knows after last nite. Every Karate school in North America is gonna have Lyoto's picture posted up and be trying to push that as the next big MMA discipline.

I seem to find now though not many of the newer fighters come from just one base background. They are starting to train MMA by 16 instead of just Jiu Jitsu or Muay Thai or Wrestling. I think it will make for some intersting title battles in the next few years.
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I'm using more the old base. Yeah people are starting to figure out the wrestlers but I still think a really powerful wrestler has a great advantage. You probably are right about Tudo being the best base these days to start out with. It will all come in phases though. 15 years ago it was Gracie Jiu Jitsu, then it became wrestling now Tudo. Next we never know what could be the next great style. Sambo might come back or who knows after last nite. Every Karate school in North America is gonna have Lyoto's picture posted up and be trying to push that as the next big MMA discipline.

I seem to find now though not many of the newer fighters come from just one base background. They are starting to train MMA by 16 instead of just Jiu Jitsu or Muay Thai or Wrestling. I think it will make for some intersting title battles in the next few years.
Man, I love me some Sambo fighters. Good call.

Apparently Pat Miletich has his own "fighting system" now too, which will probably be the future. Miletich fighters seem to always have a leg up, even when they lose.
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