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Old August 23rd, 2003, 09:51 PM   #1
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Ok I will admit it! (attention DG!)

Al Franken's new book intrigue's me!

Now don't get me wrong, I find the sap to be completely pittiful but he makes some points that I am honestly looking into. I love Bill O'reiley and Ann Coulter but he has them both by the balls in his new book.

Unless they both have signifigant responses to his charges (with proof, which won me over) I will have lost a lot of respect for both of them.

My main goal is to live my life like Christ and his "supply side Jesus" got to me just a little.

I do pitty the man as he is very Godless and self absorbed. His goal is to make you like him which will never happen for me, but he may convince me to trust a few on the right a little less.

I will be watching for replies from those he speaks of in his book.

And before anyone get's TOO excited, I don't by 99% of the crap he spews about Bush and Cheney. While I would have prefered Alan Keys as President I don't think Bush is a bad guy at all. If anything he's too complacent and laid back.

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Old August 24th, 2003, 11:52 AM   #2
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Bumping so DG sees this. Should make for an intresting discussion. Same with Imashroom if he were still around.
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Old August 24th, 2003, 12:30 PM   #3
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i prefer his book "rush limbaugh is a big fat idiot"
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Old August 24th, 2003, 12:34 PM   #4
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Well, like I said I am far from admiring the man. But his new book "Lies and the liars who tell them" makes some good points about people I respect. I am anxious to hear them reply and if he is proven 100% correct I will not respect them nearly as much, if at all.
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I thought you were going to admit being gay or something.btw stay clear of that socialist propaganda youre reading
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Al Franken is a tool. Sure some of his dogma may ring true; everyone's does. He just seems like an angry, angry pitiful man throwing temper tantrums because he cannot get everything his way.

And what exactly is he alleging that anyone would have to defend? Why would you lose respect for these other people and all of a sudden gain respect for this commie?
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Noo.. Bush isn't a bad guy. He's positively satanic. Look at what a truly Christlike life means, Pun, and you'll see that you've been supporting The Adversary. War, murder, arrogance, devisiveness, vengeance, greed and lies, lies, lies are not the values of a true Christian, but you fall for them every time.
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I sitll don't think Bush is bad..sorry.

However he pointed out some flat out lies Ann Coulter put in her book. A simple one is that she went on and on (as an example of how much the NEw York Post type of people don't like Southerners..middle America, etc) by saying the Post never ran a front page story on the death of Dale Earnhardt. Franken posts the News Paper the day after his death and low and behold on the front page is a story on Dale Earnhardt!

Ann also says the Editor of the NY Times father was a communists who ran for President under the Communist banner.

It's not true! The guys dad was a democrat and worked in publishing!

He posts Bill Oreiley's voting registration card because Oreiley always claims to be an independant. Here he's a registered Republican.

He also points out how Oreiley claims the show he hosted (Inside Edition) years ago was very serious show and in fact won 2 Peabody awards (a BIG journalism award). Franken called Peabody and they said it wasn't true. When confronted Bill said they were "Polkes" (who has ever heard of them) and the show won them a few years AFTER Bill left.

Also, the "supply side Jesus" story in his book makes a good point as well.

You all have to check it out at least.

No worries, as I wouldn't vote Democrat EVER (support homosexuality and abortion on demand etc) but this crap pushes me closer to guys like Alan Keys who always states BOLDLY that he is a godly man and then lives like it.
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Pun, I think your prime moment will come on the day you realize that all politicians and political commentators are not and will never be "christ-like". They're all dirtbags, cheats, liars, and fucktards - conservative or not.

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Noo.. Bush isn't a bad guy. He's positively satanic. Look at what a truly Christlike life means, Pun, and you'll see that you've been supporting The Adversary. War, murder, arrogance, devisiveness, vengeance, greed and lies, lies, lies are not the values of a true Christian, but you fall for them every time.
I'm not familar with the book, The Punisher, but I agree with what mountpanic said 100%. Bush is "The Anti-Christ" and I'm not at all surprised, but I am dissapointed that so many people who claim to follow Christ support this truely evil man.

I'll look into the book so I can comment on that.
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Well, Pun, I don't know what to tell you but to take ALL syndicated columnist/communists with a grain of salt. Ann Coulter, who is a bit much for me, and Bill O'Reilly may have been "caught in lies" in Al's new book. However, Al Franken is a "documented" liar himself, so I find it a bit o' irony in the title of his book.

Regardless, I think all these people have a point of view that merits listening to, but at the end of the day are mostly full of shit.
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Franken has the advantage (of sorts) of being foremost a humorist, which affords him a little more leeway than out-and-out lying scoudrels like Coulter and O'Reilly who claim to be deliverers of holy truth.

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Al Franken is straight off the chain, yo. I've enjoyed his previous books, and I'm sure I'll enjoy this one as well, despite my strong dislike of politics.
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I don't really know why Al Franken could be called "bitter" or "angry". May that whole "Al Franken Decade" thing didn't pan out. Or perhaps it was "Stewart Saves his Family".


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How can any American patriot love Ann Coulter, her agenda is to destroy the Constitution. She hates America.
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Al Franken is a tool. Sure some of his dogma may ring true; everyone's does. He just seems like an angry, angry pitiful man throwing temper tantrums because he cannot get everything his way.

Of course he is angry and frusterated, what liberal isn't in this day and age? He isn't really a tool, more like he's a pissed off liberal lashing out at the tools of the right.
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No worries, as I wouldn't vote Democrat EVER (support homosexuality and abortion on demand etc)

So, if you lived in California you wouldn't vote Republican, Arnold, either, would you?
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Wott-uhh-hey, Punisher? What gives?

You're actually letting that blow hard drunken putz Franken dupe you or what? Franken isn't credible anyways. His reputation is shot. He's well known for going off "half cocked", being drunk & disorderly in public, and being a totally out of control hothead. Even making physical attacks. Or would have if nobody would've been there to intervene. He almost got into a fist fight with Sean Hannity. Another time he verbally assaulted Alan Colmes in public at a Washington dinner. There's no reason to believe anything Franken says.







O'Reilly made a simple mistake. So what? He admitted to it. He said he misspoke when he said that. Since when is he not allowed to make a simple mistake that's so small? It's simple. Kind of ridiculous for Franken to try making such a big thing out of something so small that O'Reilly admitted to anyways.



Franken, Coulter, and O'Reilly were invited to speak for FIFTEEN minutes each on a panel for a BookExpo America luncheon in Los Angeles. It was televised on C-Span. The other two guests kept their speaking to fifteen minutes as alloted, but Franken continued speaking for THIRTY FIVE minutes. Most of it was blind siding O'Reilly and calling him a liar.

O'Reilly sat quietly throughout without even one interruption as Franken's continued attack on O'Reilly's character went into overtime. When Franken was done O'Reilly gave his side of it. Yet Franken insisted on interrupting O'Reilly. O'Reilly told him to shut up and mentioned the thirty five minutes he'd had. Yet Franken shot back telling him that it wasn't his show. WTF? It wasn't Franken's show either. The luncheon/panel was put on by BookExpo America and not Franken. Yet, with the way that Franken went overtime and insisted on dominating the panel, Franken acted as if he thought it was his show.

Now, I've seen Franken on SNL and other shows. He's a funny guy. Yet a lot of these people from the entertainment industry, on both political sides, want it both ways. They want to be considered as "entertainers" to get away with saying near anything and not necessarily be held to a rigid journalistic standard. Yet they still want to be taken seriously.



Now when O'Reilly made the Peabody flub, he mentioned the show getting awards because the calibre of Inside Edition was being attacked. He didn't mention the award to claim it for himself but to illustrate that the show was a high quality news show. He wasn't defending himself but rather Inside Edition. O'Reilly didn't receive any awards himself. The show did. The show didn't receive the Polk Awards until a year after O'Reilly had left the show. Small surprise then that he got it wrong about the award.


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Some of the biggest names in journalism have won George Polk Awards -- Christiane Amanpour, Roger Angell, R. W. Apple, Homer Bigart, Jimmy Breslin, Walter Cronkite,
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Some of the most respected people in journalism value their Polk Awards above any other. A Polk Award is at least on an even keel with a Peabody or perhaps even slightly above it. The notion pushed by Franken that O'Reilly was trying to credit his former show with a higher award (the root of the claim of deceit) is just stupid because the two awards are nearly the same in prestige.
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O'Reilly sat quietly throughout without even one interruption as Franken's continued attack on O'Reilly's character went into overtime. When Franken was done O'Reilly gave his side of it. Yet Franken insisted on interrupting O'Reilly. O'Reilly told him to shut up and mentioned the thirty five minutes he'd had. Yet Franken shot back telling him that it wasn't his show. WTF? It wasn't Franken's show either. The luncheon/panel was put on by BookExpo America and not Franken. Yet, with the way that Franken went overtime and insisted on dominating the panel, Franken acted as if he thought it was his show.


I wateched it too. Franken wasn't saying that it was his show, just that O'Reilly wasn't on his show, probally refering to his radio show, where he simply puts people on mute when he doesn't agree with what they have to say.
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O'Reilly wasn't the one who acted like it was his show. He didn't put anybody on mute and had no control over the microphones. He sat quietly while Franken went overtime and never interfered with him having his say during the time that he took unfairly. Rather, when O'Reilly gave his side it was Franken who interrupted after he'd already had plenty of overtime already. Whether he said it or not, Franken acted as if it was his show by going over the alloted time that the others kept to and trying to dominate the show.


Franken's crack was just stupid as he was the one who stepped out of bounds of agreed terms of the panel.
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This morning I was watching the Fox morning show. E.D. Hill was telling about a dinner she had attended. Long story short: Al Franken and Brian Kilmeade wound up posing together for a picture that E.D. snapped. In Franken's book (Brian said pg. 210) the occurence was covered. Franken said that the picture was taken by a clearly inebriated blonde (E.D. Hill). Yet E.D. said that not only was she not inebriated but she hadn't had anything to drink at all. It had to do with that she won't drink any alcoholic beverages when she's pregnant or trying to get pregnant. (It was one of those but I missed the detail of whether she was already pregnant or trying to conceive.) She won't take any risk at all of the embryo or fetus being exposed to any alcohol poisoning in even the least amount. She also said she was sitting next to an alcohol industry lobbyist and he remarked that she wasn't drinking.


Well, her point was that Al Franken is a big liar. There was no point to him lieing about that. As he lies so readily and in such an off hand manner for no reason, what lies does he tell about things of more concern to him? She said that you gotta be a real rube to buy Franken's book.
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Two words about Mr Franken..... Ghostbuster Video.

Honestly, though, I do find him generally entertaining.
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I do not like Franken!!!!!!!

But I would like to hear Orieley and Coulter answer his charges. That's all.
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