Sorry Rob, you have nothing to stand on (in this debate). The basis of your argument was;
In fact, every addict I know who got clean did it without AA, and every addict in know who went the AA route is still an addict.
Well, Rob, let me introduce you to OFG
Now, the fact that you then went into berating OFG and calling him wrong, well, was very Limbaugh of you. Come on man, don't turn into a Republican on us! Just acknowledge that some people in AA can find success. OFG has. Many others have. Not everything has to be a conspiracy.