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Old October 13th, 2012, 07:07 PM   #11
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Here are the 12 steps of the cult.
  1. We admitted we were powerless over alcohol—that our lives had become unmanageable.
  2. Came to believe that a Power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity.
  3. Made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of God as we understood Him.
  4. Made a searching and fearless moral inventory of ourselves.
  5. Admitted to God, to ourselves, and to another human being the exact nature of our wrongs.
  6. Were entirely ready to have God remove all these defects of character.
  7. Humbly asked Him to remove our shortcomings.
  8. Made a list of all persons we had harmed, and became willing to make amends to them all.
  9. Made direct amends to such people wherever possible, except when to do so would injure them or others.
  10. Continued to take personal inventory, and when we were wrong, promptly admitted it.
  11. Sought through prayer and meditation to improve our conscious contact with God as we understood Him, praying only for knowledge of His will for us and the power to carry that out.
  12. Having had a spiritual awakening as the result of these steps, we tried to carry this message to alcoholics, and to practice these principles in all our affairs.

Right off the bat step one is bullshit. No one is powerless over addiction. If that were the case then no one could defeat addiction. Steps two and three are not helpful other than to deepen the power of the cult over the individual. If God could remove your defects, then you wouldn't need the cult anymore. heh

A few of them actually have some merit, but even then only really under the guided care of professionals. AA is not a professional organization with training to help people in any way.

That's why there's zero evidence that people get better with AA. Most addicts do try AA at one point or another. The vast majority had the power to get better on their own. Others get professional help. AA counts all such successes as being credited to their program.

If you think that L. Ron Hubbard is a fucking loon, he's got nothing on Bill W. This fucking guy, piece of shit that he is, basically raped women who came to him for help. And, HE DIDN'T EVEN STAY SOBER. He ended up using LSD. haha

The other thing they keep from you is that almost all addicts suffer from some form of mental illness, that they don't want you to get treated.

Fuck these fucking fucks.

There is not, in AA, one single redeeming feature.

Originally Posted by Old Fart Gamer View Post
Um....nope LOL!
Sure you did, so did most of those thousands. They used their existing relationships, they did counseling, they did therapy, they made significant life changes outside of the 12 steps. The 'we're in this together now' metaphor is cute. But it's not one of the steps.

If you didn't, then you're still addicted. You've merely replaced one addiction for the other, which is what AA is designed to do. It's not a cure. In fact, AA teaches that there isn't a cure.

I am also curious, why does AA openly encourage tobacco and caffeine addiction? Could it be just another crutch used in your addiction replacement?

It should be noted, for everyone else, that AA also ridicules people who do get sober on their own with the derogatory term "dry drunk." Their very existence is a threat to the cult, and the cult is important above all else. They believe that these so-called dry drunks, although they are sober and don't desire to drink, because they haven't bent over, spread their ass cheeks and let their higher power shove his fist up there that they aren't really cured, they're still addicts with addict like behavior.

I have neither the time nor the inclination to address your misconceptions and untruths because, quite simply, you're not an alcoholic.
See everyone? They're brain washed to think that only an alcoholic can understand an alcoholic. This cultist belief also extends to medical professionals and psychologists as well. They also believe that only an addict can help an addict.

They also assume that anyone who is opposed to their moronic bullshit isn't an addict.

They're also taught to not address criticisms of AA, just like members of every other cult.

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