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texbumTHElife August 17th, 2005 11:55 AM

Hold on I figured it out!

This isnt a press release from M$ for the 360, this is for some new Scion car coming out!

bigloser August 17th, 2005 11:59 AM

It's not that bad of a price.

Not if you think about it.

5 YEARS AGO the ps2 carried a $299 dollar price tag. But since there wasn't a harddrive, almost everyone who bought a PS2, bought a 40 dollar memory card.

So in reality the PS2 was around $340 back when it launched in 2000.

I don't mind paying 60 dollars more for a very powerful system, that's going to have items thrown in that I was going to buy anyway(Headset, HD Cables, ect).

texbumTHElife August 17th, 2005 12:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigloser
It's not that bad of a price.

Not if you think about it.

5 YEARS AGO the ps2 carried a $299 dollar price tag. But since there wasn't a harddrive, almost everyone who bought a PS2, bought a 40 dollar memory card.

So in reality the PS2 was around $340 back when it launched in 2000.

I don't mind paying 60 dollars more for a very powerful system, that's going to have items thrown in that I was going to buy anyway(Headset, HD Cables, ect).

You have obviously completely missed the point of everyones posts. I dont think most people are just hung up on the price. Its that MS made no mention of this shit until it became apparent that Sony would be hitting the market so long after MS.

Pahn August 17th, 2005 12:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigloser
It's not that bad of a price.

Not if you think about it.

5 YEARS AGO the ps2 carried a $299 dollar price tag. But since there wasn't a harddrive, almost everyone who bought a PS2, bought a 40 dollar memory card.

So in reality the PS2 was around $340 back when it launched in 2000.

I don't mind paying 60 dollars more for a very powerful system, that's going to have items thrown in that I was going to buy anyway(Headset, HD Cables, ect).

Memory cards were never $40. Possibly $35, but at launch, you could buy a Sony licensed Mad Catz for $30 or less.

I just think it's BS that developers can't take advantage of a hard drive for caching. I guess MS likes long load times. It seems like a step backwards.

bigloser August 17th, 2005 12:18 PM

I know for a fact that they were at least $34.99.

:EDIT:

http://wired-vig.wired.com/news/cult...,39478,00.html
Quote:

While the PS2 has no inherent storage capacity, 8-megabyte memory cards are available at $34.99 for saving games. Sony plans to offer an optional hard drive which will fit into the system's 3.5-inch expansion bay.
I'm pretty sure there either were no 3rd party memory cards for the PS2 launch. Or they were only a few dollars cheaper than Sony's Memory cards.

Either way, I paid way too much for the PS2 when you consider I....

Paid 35 for a multitap.
$299 for the system.
Around 100 dollars on memory cards.
100 dollars for a harddrive.
40 dollars for a network adaptor.

Rubikon August 17th, 2005 12:20 PM

Don't forget $100 for a wireless network adapter that Sony and even Nintendo claim they will have built in out-of-the-box. Plus add in another $60 a pop for games. I don't mind MS looking to break even or turn a profit this time around, but it seems like they're also out to make the money back they lost on the original Xbox.

Bigg Russ August 17th, 2005 12:22 PM

Moreso than anything, it's the price of the games that's gettin' me.

bigloser August 17th, 2005 12:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pahn
I just think it's BS that developers can't take advantage of a hard drive for caching. I guess MS likes long load times. It seems like a step backwards.

Blame Sony.

Since the PS3 wont be coming with a standard HDD.

Why should the Xbox 360?

Shaolin August 17th, 2005 01:14 PM

400 bucks, huh? Man....don't they know mutherfuckers gotta pay bils?

Launch purchase just became very doubtful.

bigloser August 17th, 2005 01:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bigg Russ
Moreso than anything, it's the price of the games that's gettin' me.

Same here.

$50 dollars is a lot for a game.

$60 dollars is just plain expensive.

turningpoint August 17th, 2005 01:35 PM

Why is everyone here sch a fucking tight wade? Seriously, just buy the $399 one and sell of the crap on ebay you don't want.

Sell the wirless controller and go buy a wired one.


I sware everyone finds a reason to complain about the smallest shit.

Don't play games if you can't afford em.

Bigg Russ August 17th, 2005 01:51 PM

Quote:

August 17, 2005, 9:00 AM PDT
Xbox 360 pricing and bundles confirmed
Posted by: Robert Dubbin

A flood of Xbox 360 pricing details hit the wire this morning, confirming that Microsoft's next-generation console will launch in two flavors: a $299 edition that comes with one wired controller, a detachable faceplate, and standard A/V cables; and a souped-up $399 version that ships with a 20GB hard drive, a wireless controller, a wireless headset, a limited-edition wireless Media Center remote, and HD-capable component A/V cables. Both SKUs will include a basic Xbox Live Silver membership.

The long and short of the announcement is this: Yes, you'll be able to get an Xbox 360 for the same $299 you would have paid to get the original Xbox back in 2001. But you'll be getting a deliberately bare-bones rig whose necessary accessories will bring you perilously close to the cost of the $399 package anyway; without a hard drive, you'll need a memory card, and the "official" 64MB model ($39.99) is only 60 bucks cheaper than the bump up to the 20GB deluxe package.

Also significant about this release is what it didn't tell us: there's still no confirmed release date, nor are there any set launch titles (whoops!). But gamers now know exactly what size piggy bank they'll need to fill between now and the holidays.
Peep the use of the term bare-bones.

bigloser August 17th, 2005 01:55 PM

You know, I do find it odd that Microsoft didn't announce the Xbox 360's release date, along side the pricing announcement.

Maybe Microsoft is having manufacturing issues?

lmhstalker August 17th, 2005 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DG
Sony's gotta be loving this right now! :D

Anyway, I just sent an email off to Microsoft:

Maybe if enough people mail they'll relent and make the damn HD standard.

Your email has been deleted already, lol.
Quote:

Originally Posted by Rubikon
but it seems like they're also out to make the money back they lost on the original Xbox.

But doesn't really make much sense but nevertheless, why shouldn't they try to make as much money as they can? Or better, why should they not try to keep the loss at a minimum?

They're still losing money on the current Xbox, who knows how much the 360 costs to make. I guaran-damn-tee it's a alot more than what they ever lost on the Xbox.

For $300 or $400, I think it's a bargain.

Soupbones August 17th, 2005 03:01 PM

Well this is disappointing news to say the least. Microsoft had won me over completely with the Xbox. And I was, and stil am a HUGE Playstation fan. I own a PS2 as well and while I enjoy it, the Xbox has always been my console of choice.

However I must say I didn't plan on buying one from launch anyway as I did that with the Xbox and it bit me in the fucking ass. I ended up buying my first Xbox(which eventually broke) back when they launched. I paid $299.99 for it, not including tax(tennessee tax....9.5%). The end price of just the console itself was nearly $330. That didn't include a game(Halo-$50 plus tax), an RF adaptor as my then TV had no AV jacks($15 for the cable) and a spare controller for multiplayer(Damn near $50!).

The grand total of it all with tax and everything cost me nearly $450.00, then only a few short months later....price drop. You could have fried an egg on my fucking head I was so pissed off.

The hard drive fiasco is downright fucking retarded. Which brings up a question...

Would it be possible, to buy the hard-drive less model, and then buy an aftermarket hard-drive and modify the 360? I'm sure that possibility is no so far fetched. I may end up getting the "cheap" one and getting it modified to suit my specific needs.

Still, I'm nto buying at launch. Not when a price drop is a shoe-in.

Korr August 17th, 2005 04:31 PM

Wow, all that for a few glorfied rehased sequels....

MS seriously needs a title that will make everyone rush out and buy a X360. Killer apps needed asap.

A big WTF to Wireless adapter - $99?! :saywhat: Even the DS has built in wifi.

Pornoslut August 17th, 2005 05:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Soupbones
Well this is disappointing news to say the least. Microsoft had won me over completely with the Xbox. And I was, and stil am a HUGE Playstation fan. I own a PS2 as well and while I enjoy it, the Xbox has always been my console of choice.

However I must say I didn't plan on buying one from launch anyway as I did that with the Xbox and it bit me in the fucking ass. I ended up buying my first Xbox(which eventually broke) back when they launched. I paid $299.99 for it, not including tax(tennessee tax....9.5%). The end price of just the console itself was nearly $330. That didn't include a game(Halo-$50 plus tax), an RF adaptor as my then TV had no AV jacks($15 for the cable) and a spare controller for multiplayer(Damn near $50!).

The grand total of it all with tax and everything cost me nearly $450.00, then only a few short months later....price drop. You could have fried an egg on my fucking head I was so pissed off.

The hard drive fiasco is downright fucking retarded. Which brings up a question...

Would it be possible, to buy the hard-drive less model, and then buy an aftermarket hard-drive and modify the 360? I'm sure that possibility is no so far fetched. I may end up getting the "cheap" one and getting it modified to suit my specific needs.

Still, I'm nto buying at launch. Not when a price drop is a shoe-in.

Well you'd better start looking for a new hobby, because the PS3 isn't gonna be any cheaper.

You could always settle for a Revolution.....lol!

Ghost August 17th, 2005 05:27 PM

Video games are no longer a poor mans entertainment.

Edit - I wont be buying this at launch either... I haven't bought a system at launch since 9-9-99

Korr August 17th, 2005 05:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pornoslut
Well you'd better start looking for a new hobby, because the PS3 isn't gonna be any cheaper.

You could always settle for a Revolution.....lol!

Nintendo may be on to something. A cheaper out of the box system, which is cheaper to develop for, sounds like a win situation for all parties involved. On paper at least.

DG August 17th, 2005 06:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Groo the Wanderer
I'm sure that your highly respected opinion alone will be able to sway them.

Go lick a dog's ass until it bleeds if there are any dogs in your neighborhood that still have assholes left of course.

DG August 17th, 2005 06:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bigg Russ
Moreso than anything, it's the price of the games that's gettin' me.

That's the bite that'll keep on biting.

All of this is reason to hold out and see what the competition comes up with. I'm getting nervous about the Xbox 360. They're a distant #2 to Sony. They shouldn't be gouging people on hardware, (and charging $99 for a 20gig drive IS gouging!)

I've got a massive backlog of Xbox games that I'd love to play. I'll play those and wait to see what Sony and Nintendo have to offer. By the time all three or out, we'll see what the Xbox 360 is like.

I'm wondering if developers knew this was coming. As of a few days ago, MS was lising the 20 gig drive as if it were standard. Did the developers think this? Did they program games to cache off the HD? Are Xbox 360's without the HD going to hitch playing games? Even caching data from a HD can lead to hitching, imagine caching from a DVD...

Also what's Live going to be like on a memory card?

It just doesn't make any sense.

I know the PS3 doesn't have a HD, but it hasn't had one from day one so the developers will be shooting for that mark.

I was pretty damn sure I'd be getting an Xbox 360 this generation until this piece of news came out.

And backwards compatibility...doesn't mean much if you already own the previous system(s) aside from less cable mess, but with the PS3 and Revolution it's a nice feature. I could play PS2 (and some of my old PS1 games I still enjoy) with a PS3, or catch up on the Game Cube titles I want with the Revolution.

One thing's for sure, it's going to be an interesting console war!

bigloser August 17th, 2005 06:20 PM

J Allard said in an interview with GameInformer magazine.

That he told the developers not to depend on the HDD being there from the beginning.

RookieCAF August 17th, 2005 06:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DG
Go lick a dog's ass until it bleeds if there are any dogs in your neighborhood that still have assholes left of course.

Now this is what I was waiting for!!!! :saywhat:

Viper August 17th, 2005 07:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Groo the Wanderer
Here is a pic of the Xbox 360 HD AV cables:



I'll let you remove your own foot from your mouth.

Unless the video out port for the 360 is the same as the Xbox, DG is still going to have to buy an S-video cable if he prefers better video quality than what composite provides.

Mooreberg August 17th, 2005 07:24 PM

I honestly don't think the $399 pricing is the problem here. It will still sell out to the people who buy whatever is the hot new item through the holiday season. The problems I see are:

- Having a barebones versions for less money is just going to create more demand for it. Sony never actually had an official price drop to $149.99 on the regular PS2 (The slim one had that for the official price). They just threw in extra stuff when the system was still $179 (the bba and offroad fury 2) but retailers dropped the barebones version to $149.99 and kept ordering them because people just want the least expensive package possible, even if the "extras" are worth the increased price

- Splitting games on whether or not they use HDD caching. Games have to now be designed for both people who have an HDD connected, and those who don't. That means even with an HDD out there, devs will still have to come up with ways to shorten loading times for those that don't have it.

- The accessory pricing is really gonna hurt third party software sales. The more money that is spent on controllers and the other stuff is money that won't be going towards new software that is going to cost $59.99

The price for a system with a three core 3.2 GHz PPC CPU, new ATI GPU, and 20GB hard drive isn't unreasonable. I just don't think they grasp the fact that fewer and fewer games have been selling a million plus copies at full price these days (Halo, GTA, Gran Turismo, Madden... that's about it). How many $60 games are people going to buy after they've plunked down either $340 for the system and a memory card, or $399 for the value pack?

PSP is expensive in the handheld realm, but people have been buying third party software much more than on the GBA or DS, which is why Nintendo is now reacting with the hardware price cuts (which still may not do anything to change the fact that people don't buy many third party games on those systems).

If developers feel like next gen development isn't going to be a cost effective investment before PS3 comes out, than whatever time frame advantage that Microsoft has created by launching early will be squandered in record timing.


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